This link will take you to a transcript of an interview that Barack Obama did with Cathleen Falsani of beliefnet.com. The interview was conducted in the Spring of 2004, right as Barack Obama was entering the major political stage. In 8 months, he would be elected to the United States Senate from Illinois. This was five months before his keynote speech at the Democratic National Convention, where most pundits believe he solidified his place in major politics.
Please read the the interview before you read my thoughts, as they will not make sense unless you read the actual interview first.
This interview, as much as anything that I have ever seen before, perfectly demonstrates the need for Christians to pray for their leaders. In fact, the need is a command from God (as shown in my last post). All too often, I hear and see great mobilizations from the evangelical voting block when a Republican occupies the White House (don’t your remember all the stickers for the Presidential Prayer Team in Bush 43’s first term?). I might be missing them, but I simply don’t see them when a Democrat is in the White House… that is, until the end of the term and you see bumper stickers that say, “Pray for the Election,” “Vote on Values,” etc. Those are political statements designed to support a candidate, not pray for your leader. This is one of the biggest criticisms that non-evangelicals have about Evangelical voters, and I think that it is a fair criticism. But the following shows why our President-Elect, should be prayed for as fervently as any other President.
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FALSANI:
What do you believe?
OBAMA:
I am a Christian.
So, I have a deep faith. So I draw from the Christian faith… So, I’m rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people…
I became much more familiar with the ongoing tradition of the historic black church and it’s importance in the community.
And the power of that culture to give people strength in very difficult circumstances, and the power of that church to give people courage against great odds. And it moved me deeply.
So that, one of the churches I met, or one of the churches that I became involved in was Trinity United Church of Christ. And the pastor there, Jeremiah Wright, became a good friend. So I joined that church and committed myself to Christ in that church.
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Jesus, for who Christianity is named, says, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” Therefore, I am deeply troubled when Mr. Obama says that he believes there are many paths to the same point. This belief is incongruent with the Bible.
Secondly, the importance of the historic black church to its community is not bad in and of itself. Many communities find strength, comfort, peace in their church, and it is a place to find it. However, Mr. Obama has demonstrated the belief that the church is equally responsible for promoting the social gospel as much as it promotes the Gospel of Jesus Christ, of Christ crucified for the forgiveness of sin. This is incongruent with the Bible.
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FALSANI:
Who’s Jesus to you?
(He laughs nervously)
OBAMA:
Right.
Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.
And he’s also a wonderful teacher. I think it’s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.
OBAMA:
Where do you move forward with that?
This is something that I’m sure I’d have serious debates with my fellow Christians about. I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and prostelytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they’re going to hell.
FALSANI:
You don’t believe that?
OBAMA:
I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell.
I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity.
That’s just not part of my religious makeup.
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I hate to play semantics (and it might be just that), but why is the first description of who Jesus is include “a historical figure?” If Jesus, to Barack Obama, is first and foremost the “bridge between God and man,” why not say it first? Am I reading into this more than I should?
I don’t think so, and here is why. He says that the “difficult” thing about most religions, including Christianity, is the call to evangelize and proselytize.” By this, I assume he means the difficulty in defending it to people who do not believe in God and people who are not Christians. He then says that in some quarters [of Christianity], there is a belief that those who do not accept Jesus as their personal savior are going to hell. Mr. Obama, that is what the Bible says. If you do not accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, you will not go to Heaven. It is not acceptable to say “some quarters of Christianity,” as if it were some throwaway doctrine of the Bible. It is a part of the Gospel, for if someone does not accept Jesus as their personal savior and still goes to Heaven, why accept Jesus at all?
Here is the big issue with this statement. If people who do not accept Jesus as their personal Savior are not going to hell, there is no need to evangelize. However, if people who do not accept Jesus as their personal Savior are going to hell, then you MUST evangelize. There is a compulsion to do do so out of love, so that they would not go to hell. Mr. Obama, your belief is incongruent with the Bible. Again, John 14:6 says, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” That means that if you come to the Father another way, you never came. You are still, as the Bible calls it, in your sin. Romans 3:22-23 says, “the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” Romans 6:23 says, “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
If Barack Obama does not believe that God would consign 4/5 of the world to hell, why would he believe in Christianity at all? If the world can still believe something different and everybody gets to the same place, than why not just leave Christianity on the table completely?
The issue here is that what Barack Obama believes about Christianity is simply not Biblical. He wants to take the parts of the Bible that work for him and that fit his particular taste, but not believe those parts of the Bible that he might find distasteful. But that is simply not Biblical. It strikes at the very heart of what Christianity is all about. Mr. Obama claims that his God would not send a Hindu boy who has never interacted with the Christian faith to hell. But an equally valid question is, “So why believe that He would save you, Mr. Obama. If God (or Jesus) isn’t who He says he is on one front, how can we trust ANYTHING He says on any other matter?”
Mr. Obama, the Bible is clear on this issue. The Word of God is our ONLY source as to who God is and who He says He is. Therefore, if even one part of the Gospel is a considered to be distasteful, the whole thing must be thrown out.
So I pray for you, Mr. Obama. I pray that the Bible would become so crystal clear in your life that you would see it for what it is. I pray that God would speak to you through His Holy Spirit, that you would be “cut to the heart” with the Gospel, the one and true Gospel, as Acts 2:37 says. I pray that your wife and your daughters would know the “good news,” like in Biblical times, when the man would come to know Christ and the Bible says “he and all his household.” I pray that those around you would live a life that points you to the only understanding of the Gospel – that man is a sinner, totally unable to save himself; that God made a way for man to be saved of his sin, but that the way, the only way, is by salvation in Jesus Christ, by grace, through faith.